Have you seen the recent video posted showing the police officer shooting the guy with the hatchet? Questions you may have: is a hatchet treated the same as a gun? Was that a good shoot? As is usually the case with officer involved shootings, it all depends…
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At that distance, communication could have cleared up the who, what, when, where, and how, thus determining proper action.
The word, "No," triggered this cop's fear, and/or butt hurt anger.
From the bodycam footage, we can't determine the mental state of the man with the hatchet. The officer's mental state was clear. Fear was his laxative, and with THAT state of mind, tragedies can, and will happen.
The Creator gave us ONE mouth, and TWO ears for a reason. The cop was too busy BARKING with the ONE, instead of using the TWO to give the man a chance to speak, and explain his circumstances.
From what I could see, there was enough distance to give the officer a chance to shoot IF HE HAD TO. No such opportunity was given. Yet, qualified immunity it is, just because.
This is such a crime against humanity. Shooting and killing a human being who is simply holding a hatchet -while standing in the woods-is murder. What is going on in America?
I don't know what the doctrine in in WV, but English law doctrine uses the genuine belief condition for self defence. Does the person genuinely believe they are in imminent danger. "A person may use such force as is [objectively] reasonable in the circumstances as he [subjectively] believes them to be. " of course circumstances come into it as that challenges the belief. That si a seperate issue to officer conduct however.
You forgot the guy would have to charge through the brush.
i cant give the cop the benefit of the doubt here. he made no attempt to de escelate. he wasnt in danger.
If you cant side step a thrown object then how did gou pass the physical exam? Cowards.
Put yourself in the officer's position. If that person had not complied with your order to put the ax down and then raised the ax. Would you have shot him or allowed him to throw the ax and possibly murder you?
Most police officers are trained that a person can advance with in 2 seconds and killed that officer or inflict great bodily injury.
The officer did have time to retreat and find cover, this is clearly a suicide by cop with a willing police officer!
Why is it that cops get to claim self defense when there's no threat to them but I as a citizen have to be struck in some way before I can claim self defense and only if the person doesn't actually get hurt.
Hatchet man was holding with his right hand with the metal part near his ear and his right leg in front. Not able to get a significant throw like that.
id also argue that they guy attempted to put the hatchet on his shoulder and rest it there, probably realized th handle was too shhort and let it fall tback o his side. thats what i saw when you did that close up
On top of what was mentioned in the video, the cop is the one that closed the distance. If he was concerned for his safety he could've stood further back, he obviously had at least another 50 yards behind him but, he chose to be that close. He could've also waited for backup, taken a rifle to help him stay further away, and parked his car on the grass to use as cover.
Another thing to think about is that old Johnny Carson clip where Daniel Boone’s buddy threw the tomahawk at the man target. Probably 15-20 feet. How that stuck in the target was an unforgettable tv moment But stick the target he did!!
Interestingly no more illegal knives in Oklahoma unless ruled as such by a judge. However throwing axes -hatchets are illegal to carry
The cowardice and blood lust of American police is absurd to me. 0% chance that I would shoot in that situation (indeed, I've been armed when confronting a man with an ax and we both walked away alive; I suppose you could argue a hatchet is a better ranged weapon than an ax, but you'd be a bit silly).
I always wear a bulletproof vest when chopping wood.😞
An insulated Tomahawk?
For chopping main power cables?🙄
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The cop didn't even identify himself, that was murder
I don't know. Seems that if the axe man raised his hand in a manner to throw the hatchet at the officer it would be a good shoot. You bring up a good point though. The officers should be held to at least the same standard as a "regular citizen". If it were me and I felt that the person was capable of killing or seriously injuring me with that axe and they positioned themselves to do that (kill or injur me) I'd feel inclined to defend myself.
id say to be honest we would need to see the last 2 or 3 seconds in real time to be able to determine if the guy was attempting to throw it or not. as presented here, we are led to assume he just raised it. if that is the case, then yes this is cold blooded muder by a blue line nazi.
I really like seeing the contrast between you and doughnut operator it’s really interesting to see someone like him try to cope and act like he’s not some bootlicker
Did you imply that he should not shoot the man because he had not thrown the hatchet?
I saw video that cops shot a fellow in a wheelchair. They told him to drop his knife. He threw it at the wall of the nearby building. Shooting someone after he threw his weapon, I would think, comes to shooting an unarmed man.
Can we expect that anyone be good judge of how far someone needs to cock back to throw a hatchet. Even if it would be easy to step aside at that distance?
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You covered my notions later in your talk. I don't know how I might vote, were I on jury. I've some ambivalence about someone not realizing that there is hardly a threat at that range.
I used to belong to SCA, a medieval club, where we would have wars, where we hit each other with sticks and blunt arrows and spears. Archers won't even bother to shoot at anyone if they be looking at them. – As I recall, they had to be thirty feet from whomever they shot at.
Dunno – would the average coward realize that there was zero chance of the guy hitting him at that range?
EXCELLENT POINT OF LAW. If assailant throws hatchet, they have effectively 'disarmed' themselves. Thus apparently they are no longer a direct or immediate threat to other person – until some other factor arises. When the 2nd amendment was formatted, this explicit situation was front and centre of the legal and social landscape. Guns were almost exclusively single shot, thus a person, or even a regiment threatening to shoot, would effectively be disarmed and vulnerable once the shot had been fired. this allows for a 'stand-off' situation which favours dispute-resolution, as opposed to the modern landscape where an individual can have the firepower of a company or platoon of revolutionary war heroes. Thus, the right to bear arms was tempered by the use of said arm, in that shooting first may put one's self at a lethal disadvantage. A rethink of the 2nd amendment is loooooooong over due, where a situation of a person has the indelible right to bear a hatchet or flint-lock, due explicitly to it's inherent limitations, whice were central to the Mo when the statute was written.,
If the officer had a shatter proof sheild (like in many urban SWAT type armor inventories)
THEN a different story as to justification to shoot.
Freedom is scary. Loss of freedom is terrifying.
Wow. This one is about as close to the line as they get.
And, I have to acknowledge that tie goes to the officer.
So, while I hate seeing stupid people get killed, stupid often looks like evil intent.
I'd like to see this presented to the courts but I don't see any easy win if at all.
I have seen people that can throw hatchets that far easily and accurately very quickly.
Without knowing the expertise of the subject person, I would assume the worst if I were the officer.
Great video! You are so through explaining everything!
Qualified Immunity = Legalized Killing.
I know of three people who were killed by Tennessee cops and nothing was done
Looks like a murder to me.
So if someone is walking down the street with a hatchet, I can shoot them from 20 yards away and claim self defense? I think that’s the question that must be asked to put this in perspective. I was told in gun training that shooting someone from 20+ yards away, unless they have a gun and are using it to threaten you, is murder. Unfortunately cops have a license to kill.
Many of these murdering cops just can’t risk talking to someone who happens to have a hatchet & was chopping wood! So the cop was just so full of adrenaline he had to shoot the guy!